How Is Dex So Good at Martial Arts Daredevil
Batman (Bruce)- 20 batarangs
Robin (Damian)- Bo-staff
Batman (Dick)- 30 batarangs
Red Robin- Two batons
Deathstroke- I machine-pistol with half-loaded clip. Two Katanas
Bronze Tiger
Ravager- I katana
Lady Shiva- Katana, ii daggers strapped to thighs.
Cassandra Cain- Bo-staff, 5 shuriken
Blackness Canary- vox only goes ten feet in management she is facing
Blight - has Venom. This does not mean he tin can lift 35 tons. Exercise not say this. He can lift about two tons. Practice not say otherwise.
Marvel:
Daredevil- Billy Club, wrist-blades (from black costume)
Black Panther (T'Challa)- Vibranium daggers, anti-metallic claws, NO vibranium suit.
Blackness Panther (Shuri)- Spear and vibranium suit
Iron Fist- No Chi focusing
Elektra- Twin-sais, 15 shuriken
White Tiger (Angela)
White Tiger (Hector
Blackness Tarantula- No eye beams, strength limited to 2 tons
Stick- gets...a stick. Bo-staff, ya know.
Mister X
The teams are told that they will be fighting in the "Universal Martial Arts Tournament". If they leave, their loved ones will be murdered. Oliver Queen is killed in front end of the crowd to make an case. In upshot, Black Canary is claret-lusted. All are fighting without morals, as they do not want to lose their loved ones (yep, fifty-fifty Bruce has lost his cool).
The fight takes identify in the unfinished Bejing stadium
The teams starting time at opposite sides of the opening in the top of the stadium. They can not exit the stadium. They may enter it, and utilise anything in the picture equally an offensive/defensive object. Victory by majority team defeat.
Probably DC.
Things could be different if both White Tigers and Stick were subbed out for Cap (Steve), Shang Chi, and Taskmaster. Wolverine or archetype Moon Knight could exist tossed in for Curiosity as an 11th man.
Team i barely... Mister X will be a problem, simply not i that can't be stock-still by Statuary Tiger, he is likewise fast and likewise strong for Mister X... Aforementioned trouble he had with Wolverine. Over all I say Squad one... Maybe because They have an extra guy.
Take out Bane and Black Tarantula
I don't come across any strength or speed advantages for Tiger against Mister X. On pinnacle of that, Tiger wouldn't be able to tag him because of his power to read moves via detecting neural impulses/brainwaves. The simply ii people that can deal with Ten are Cassandra and Shiva (since they also read moves). Also, Mister Ten defeated Wolverine with ease. He afterward had a trouble with him because Wolverine was nether berserker rage (making it hard for 10 to read him)." eam one barely... Mister X will be a problem, just non ane that can't be stock-still by Bronze Tiger, he is too fast and too strong for Mister Ten..
" @Undergroundgod said:Every bit a sidenote, Mister Ten further trained himself in order to counter Wolverine'southward berserker rage, equally shown in the contempo Wolverine/Mr. 10 1-shot.
" eam one barely... Mister X volition be a problem, but not i that tin can't be stock-still by Bronze Tiger, he is too fast and too strong for Mister X..I don't see whatever strength or speed advantages for Tiger confronting Mister Ten. On meridian of that, Tiger wouldn't be able to tag him because if his ability to read moves via detecting neural impulses/brainwaves. The merely two people that can deal with X are Cassandra and Shiva (since they too read moves). Also, Mister X defeated Wolverine with ease. He afterward had a problem with him considering Wolverine was under berserker rage (making it diffculut for X to read him. "
" @Undergroundgod said:You think Shiva or Cassie tin beat X? Also that never really made whatever sense, if he can detect neural impulses then why would Wolverine in Beserker rage be immune to that, I mean how does beingness in beserker mode hide his impulses ....
I don't meet any strength or speed advantages for Tiger against Mister X. On tiptop of that, Tiger wouldn't exist able to tag him because if his ability to read moves via detecting neural impulses/brainwaves. The merely two people that can bargain with X are Cassandra and Shiva (since they also read moves). Too, Mister X defeated Wolverine with ease. He later had a problem with him because Wolverine was under berserker rage (making it difficult for 10 to read him). "" eam one barely... Mister X will exist a problem, but not one that tin't exist fixed by Bronze Tiger, he is also fast and too strong for Mister Ten..
"Every bit a sidenote, Mister 10 further trained himself in guild to counter Wolverine'due south berserker rage, every bit shown in the recent Wolverine/Mr. X one-shot. "O_O
-Searches for 1-shot.-
" @Static Shock said:At outset, he was introduced as a low level psychic - reading thoughts. When Wolverine entered berserker rage, he was acting on instinct, without thinking what he'd practice adjacent, making information technology incommunicable for Mr. X to read him. Later on on, his ability was retconned into what Static described.
" @Undergroundgod said:Y'all think Shiva or Cassie can beat Ten? Also that never really fabricated any sense, if he can observe neural impulses so why would Wolverine in Beserker rage exist immune to that, I mean how does being in beserker manner hide his impulses .... "
I don't see whatever strength or speed advantages for Tiger against Mister 10. On top of that, Tiger wouldn't be able to tag him because if his ability to read moves via detecting neural impulses/brainwaves. The only 2 people that can deal with Ten are Cassandra and Shiva (since they also read moves). Also, Mister X defeated Wolverine with ease. He afterwards had a problem with him because Wolverine was under berserker rage (making it hard for X to read him). "" eam i barely... Mister Ten will be a problem, but not i that can't be fixed by Bronze Tiger, he is too fast and besides strong for Mister X..
@Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"As a sidenote, Mister X further trained himself in order to counter Wolverine'due south berserker rage, every bit shown in the recent Wolverine/Mr. X one-shot. "O_O -Searches for one-shot.- "
Information technology's a relatively expert read.
"You think Shiva or Cassie tin can crush X? Also that never actually made any sense, if he tin detect neural impulses so why would Wolverine in Beserker rage be immune to that, I mean how does being in beserker mode hide his impulses .... "I think they tin can contend with him. I'1000 undecided on whether or not they can crush them. As for the discrepancy with Mr. Ten's powers, I don't understand them, either. He stated himself that he reads moves via brainwaves (implying that he'southward not really a telepath), but his weakness is fighting someone who fights instinctively/subconsciously (berserk Wolverine) or someone who is unpredictable (Iron Fist beat him with a style that was unpredictable).
I'd say Team 1. Shiva and Cassie can read body movements, and Deathstroke, is he an enhanced human being, simply he'south brought a gun with him, which could exist unfair, although people may exist able to dodge the bullets. The Batman family unit would be some other big problem as well.
The but problem they would have is X, since he has TP to dorsum upward, all the same, his powers may not work if he'south fighting like two guys at in one case since he can't multiply, and he'd be in trouble if he fights Cassie or Shiva. Elektra will be a problem as well, that'southward if she 'south allowed to employ her silent scream. Atomic number 26 Fist, unless he can use his chi, won't be able to go well in this fight.
DC wins slightly thanks to blackness canary'due south scream and slades machine pistol. Take those away and curiosity barely wins.
" Have out Bane and Black Tarantula "Considering...?
" @FinalStar86 said:You tin can put in amend combatants
" Take out Bane and Blackness Tarantula "Because...? "
" @The Average Bear said:Blackness Tarantula is an excellent combatant
" @FinalStar86 said:You can put in better combatants "
" Take out Blight and Black Tarantula "Because...? "
Meh its your thread, I was just giving a proposition
" @The Boilerplate Conduct: I'm non saying they are bad fighters, I am saying you can put in better fighters like Cap for Marvel and Richard Dragon for DC Meh its your thread, I was just giving a suggestion "I was gonna put Cap in. I might if Marvel is too stacked against.
" @Morpheus_ said:You lot mean "Unfinished Concern"
"As a sidenote, Mister X further trained himself in club to counter Wolverine's berserker rage, as shown in the recent Wolverine/Mr. X one-shot. "O_O -Searches for i-shot.- "
The merely ane I think that can give Iron Fist any problem is Deathstroke.
Get rid of Whiter Tiger(Hector), Black Panther(Shuri). Replace with Shang Chi, Kraven, and Taskmaster. This is merely a little bit tipped to the DC side, requite marvel these three instead and it becomes more even, IMO. Plus y'all gave DC 11 guys, Marvel only 10.
@Static Stupor said:
Probably DC. Things could be unlike if both White Tigers and Stick were subbed out for Cap (Steve), Shang Chi, and Taskmaster. Wolverine or archetype Moon Knight could exist tossed in for Curiosity as an 11th homo.
DC, though Marvel does accept some powerhouses.
11 DC to Marvel's 10?
Aesthetically, I would say that DC has superior martial arts, but Marvel has a few gems that compete, like Captain America, Fe Fist, Mister X, Wolverine when written well, Daken, Shang-Chi.
I would take to say DC wins this i.
@progenitor said:
Aesthetically, I would say that DC has superior martial arts, but Marvel has a few gems that compete, similar Helm America, Iron Fist, Mister 10, Wolverine when written well, Daken, Shang-Chi.
What do aesthetics accept to practice with martial prowess?
@weaponmaster said:
@progenitor said:
Aesthetically, I would say that DC has superior martial arts, merely Marvel has a few gems that compete, like Captain America, Atomic number 26 Fist, Mister X, Wolverine when written well, Daken, Shang-Chi.
What do aesthetics have to do with martial prowess?
Plenty, when you have people similar Bruce Wayne explaining he's mastered every bit many martial arts every bit he has, or Richard Dragon explaining his ain skills.
@progenitor said:
@weaponmaster said:
@progenitor said:
Aesthetically, I would say that DC has superior martial arts, merely Marvel has a few gems that compete, like Helm America, Iron Fist, Mister Ten, Wolverine when written well, Daken, Shang-Chi.
What do aesthetics have to do with martial prowess?
Enough, when you have people like Bruce Wayne explaining he'southward mastered every bit many martial arts as he has, or Richard Dragon explaining his own skills.
Apparently you did non know what aesthetically meant and used it completely out of context and are now trying to cover your up your error.
@weaponmaster:
I don't care plenty well-nigh the mistake of context to cover annihilation up, so why are you and then hung up on it? I suggest you don't flamebait further in the future. It's obvious from looking and watching visuals of Batman busting copse with kicks, Deathstroke taking out Green Lanterns and speedsters, all of which is aesthetic, correct? In that location you lot become. Don't waste my time.
@progenitor said:
@weaponmaster:
I don't care enough most the fault of context to embrace anything upwards, and then why are y'all so hung up on it? I suggest yous don't flamebait further in the future. It'southward obvious from looking and watching visuals of Batman busting trees with kicks, Deathstroke taking out Green Lanterns and speedsters, all of which is artful, right? There you become. Don't waste material my time.
No. Those are not examples of aesthetics. It is only a waste material of time if yous exercise not learn something and grow concerning your utilizing words out of context. In the future do not use words that you don't know the definitions of if you cannot handle being called on it.
@weaponmaster said:
@progenitor said:
@weaponmaster:
I don't intendance plenty about the mistake of context to encompass anything up, then why are you and so hung upwardly on it? I advise yous don't flamebait further in the future. It's obvious from looking and watching visuals of Batman busting trees with kicks, Deathstroke taking out Green Lanterns and speedsters, all of which is aesthetic, correct? At that place you go. Don't waste material my time.
No. Those are non examples of aesthetics. It is just a waste of time if y'all do not learn something and grow concerning your utilizing words out of context. In the time to come do not use words that you don't know the definitions of if y'all cannot handle being chosen on it.
I can handle being corrected on a mistake, however, I tin't tolerate people using condescending attitudes, and so playing information technology off as if they're not, when it's blatantly obvious.
@Fist_of_Mandalore said:
Go rid of Whiter Tiger(Hector), Black Panther(Shuri). Supercede with Shang Chi, Kraven, and Taskmaster. This is just a footling bit tipped to the DC side, give curiosity these iii instead and information technology becomes more even, IMO. Plus you gave DC 11 guys, Marvel but x.
take out kraven, and put Gamora in
hell the immortal weapons marvel, Hell people forget that Madrox knows 95% of all earth based martial arts
If it breaks downward like this, it might look like:
Batman vs Daredevil: Daredevil takes information technology simply because Batman has no prep, a limited chugalug, and would be surprised past DD sensory advantages.
Robin (Damian) vs Blackness Panther(T'Challa): T'Challa takes this, better martial artist, more experienced, better stuff.
Batman (Dick) vs Blackness Panther (Shuri): Shuri, Dick is ameliorate in most respects, but without prep he tin get past her costume.
Red Robin vs Iron Fist: Atomic number 26 Fist: Tim is outclassed.
Deathstroke vs Elektra: Both are great fighters only DS is enhanced large fourth dimension, and for some reason has a gun at a martial arts tournament.
Statuary Tiger vs White Tiger: Even though she is slightly enhanced, White Tiger has no where near the showing and skill of BT.
Ravager vs White Tiger: Both accept some things going for them but Ravager has better training.
Lady Shiva vs Blackness Tarantula: two tons isn't going to cut information technology confronting Shiva. He's a great fighter but not on her level. Give him back his eye beams and information technology'due south a fight.
Cassandra Cain vs Stick: Stick can (and would need to) move life energy around and impale Cassandra. Their fighting skills would exist equalish.
Blackness Canary vs Mister X: Ten looses when he comes within x anxiety and Canary is expert and pissed.
Bane has no one to fight so he helps his team giving the DC All Stars the win … maybe.
@progenitor said:
@weaponmaster said:
@progenitor said:
@weaponmaster:
I don't care plenty about the error of context to cover anything up, so why are you so hung up on it? I suggest you don't flamebait further in the futurity. Information technology's obvious from looking and watching visuals of Batman busting trees with kicks, Deathstroke taking out Greenish Lanterns and speedsters, all of which is aesthetic, correct? At that place you go. Don't waste my fourth dimension.
No. Those are not examples of aesthetics. Information technology is merely a waste product of time if you practice not larn something and grow concerning your utilizing words out of context. In the futurity do not utilize words that you lot don't know the definitions of if you cannot handle being chosen on it.
I can handle being corrected on a mistake, however, I can't tolerate people using condescending attitudes, so playing it off equally if they're not, when information technology's blatantly obvious.
I am not playing anything off. My attitude is the aforementioned as it was in my initial comment to you. I am not certain what gave you the impression that I was trying to "play something off" merely I tin can clinch you that you are indeed mistaken.
@Billdevil said:
If it breaks downwardly similar this, it might wait similar:
Batman vs Daredevil: Daredevil takes information technology only because Batman has no prep, a limited belt, and would exist surprised by DD sensory advantages.
Bats doesn't need prep or gear to beat Daredevil, he's already a more than skilled fighter, a more intelligent fighter, and a physically superior fighter. He could be completely naked and would still beat Daredevil. Daredevil'south senses aren't going to stop Batman'southward fist from colliding with his confront.
Lady Shiva vs Black Tarantula: 2 tons isn't going to cut it against Shiva. He's a corking fighter but non on her level. Give him back his eye beams and it'southward a fight.
I'm pretty sure Tarantula is a 25 tonner, unless he got downgraded.
Cassandra Cain vs Stick: Stick can (and would need to) move life energy effectually and impale Cassandra. Their fighting skills would exist equalish
Based on what? What feats does Stick have to suggest his fighting skills are = to Cassandras? Because the only thing I've e'er seen him do is train other characters.
@Billdevil said:
If
it breaks downward similar this, it might wait like:Batman vs Daredevil:
Daredevil takes it only because Batman has no prep, a limited belt, and would
be surprised past DD sensory advantages.Robin (Damian) vs Black Panther(T'Challa):
T'Challa takes this, meliorate martial artist, more than experienced, ameliorate stuff.Batman (Dick) vs Black Panther (Shuri):
Shuri, Dick is better in nigh respects, simply without prep he can get by her
costume.Red Robin vs Iron Fist:
Iron Fist: Tim is outclassed.Deathstroke vs Elektra: Both are great
fighters but DS is enhanced big fourth dimension, and for some reason has a gun at a
martial arts tournament.Bronze Tiger vs White Tiger:
Even though she is slightly enhanced, White Tiger has no where nearly the showing
and skill of BT.Ravager vs White Tiger: Both have
some things going for them but Ravager has better preparation.Lady Shiva vs Black Tarantula:
two tons isn't going to cut it against Shiva. He's a great fighter just non on
her level. Requite him back his eye beams and it's a fight.Cassandra Cain
vs Stick: Stick tin (and
would need to) motion life free energy around and kill Cassandra. Their fighting
skills would exist equalish.Black Canary vs Mister X: Ten looses when he
comes within 10 anxiety and Canary is skillful and pissed.Bane has no 1 to
fight and then he helps his squad giving the DC All Stars the win … maybe.
I agree with all but the two I have highlighted.
In the case of Ravager vs White Tiger, White Tigers Amulets give him the equivant of a lifetime of training in Kung Fu as he is master Of it when wearing the amulets so technically his "training" esxceeds hers for all intents and purposes and he also has a lot more experience than Ravager does. I recollect he wins here.
In the case of Black Canary vs Mr. X, the OP stated that her scream only goes x feet in the direction she is facing and he could theoretically however dodge to the sides and flip and leap over her etc earlier she scream given his TP ability so he should exist able to win here as well
Edit: With these two additionalwins it should be obvious to anyone that I feel Marvel would win.
Wha... where's Logan?
Wolverine should exist included ... if Deathstroke's here, then I can't see Wolverine being touted as potentially too powerful beingness a valid excuse.
DC tends to highlight ameliorate more credible skill in its martial artists I believe.
why no zealot or midnighter
@weaponmaster: Your points are well taken, y'all could be right.
@Hohenheim_of_light: I agree Batman is a more well rounded martial artist and knows more styles than Daredevil, however radar has been an enormous equalizing factor for him as he's faced other top tier martial artists. Every bit for being a more intelligent fighter (I presume you mean clever and resourceful in a fight beyond martial skill), Daredevil is too amazing in this area and there is much evidence to support this. Not an like shooting fish in a barrel fight by any means just this fourth dimension DD has the edge. ... all respect to the Batman.
Black Tarantula is express to two tons in the op.
Stick's long, long life (though he'south dead now) and the skills of those he's trained is evidence of his martial knowledge. Cassandra is a automobile but young and impulsive …and she can't move life energy.
i really wish i could say marvel . . .
@Billdevil said:
@Hohenheim_of_light: I concord Batman is a more well rounded martial creative person and knows more styles than Daredevil, however radar has been an enormous equalizing factor for him every bit he's faced other top tier martial artists. Equally for being a more intelligent fighter (I assume you hateful clever and resourceful in a fight beyond martial skill), Daredevil is also amazing in this area and there is much prove to back up this. Not an piece of cake fight by any means merely this time DD has the border. ... all respect to the Batman.
Black Tarantula is limited to 2 tons in the op.
Stick's long, long life (though he's dead at present) and the skills of those he'southward trained is evidence of his martial knowledge. Cassandra is a machine but young and impulsive …and she can't move life free energy.
Batman has actually beaten a college caliber of opponents than Daredevil has, you can say that Daredevil has fought meridian tier martial artist but until he actually beats them and then they're in no way comparable. The highest caliber fighter that I've ever seen Daredevil beat was Captain America, Batman has browbeaten Deathstroke, Blight, David Cain, Wrath, Prometheus, and other characters that are on and greater than Daredevil'due south skill level.
Daredevil is no where near the same level as Batman in terms of intellect, information technology doesn't thing how good you think he in this category, it means nothing when he's severely outclassed by his opponent. Batman'south superior skill, concrete stats, and intellect are all greater advantages than Daredevil's radar power. DD has no edge here and no perhaps fashion of chirapsia Batman.
Again though, what are Stick's gainsay feats. I don't intendance how long he's trained if he doesn't have anything to prove for it.
@Hohenheim_of_light: You really downplay DD ... bruce beats him naked ... very doubtful. Bruce wins because of prep and gadgets ... Would he win this fight ... dunno he literally has only 20 batarangs and no prep time. I give batman 75/25 on this fight.
DC wins mainly due to them having an extra actor and Marvel having a few heavy hitters and a few flunks .. DC's set average is higher than Marvel ...
@sandiego008 said:
@Hohenheim_of_light: You really downplay DD ... bruce beats him naked ... very doubtful. Bruce wins because of prep and gadgets ... Would he win this fight ... dunno he literally has but 20 batarangs and no prep time. I give batman 75/25 on this fight.
DC wins mainly due to them having an extra actor and Curiosity having a few heavy hitters and a few flunks .. DC's set upwards average is higher than Marvel ...
Or maybe you're overrating him. Bruce would beat him naked, he doesn't demand weapons or prep, he's a superior fighter, has physical advantages and is a smarter fighter. Daredevil has done nothing to advise he could win in a fist fight. Giving Batman whatever gadgets makes it even more i sided than information technology already is.
@Hohenheim_of_light: what i dont get are the matchups and the choices hither T'chala should be fighting bruce, not DD, he should exist fighting Crimson Robin(YUM)
and the picks are not even the all-time picks for curiosity, heck even a few on DC's are kinda meh
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